I Call Bullsh!t
By now you may have seen or heard about the Today Show segment about moms who have a cocktail or other alcoholic libation (as in ONE) while attending or hosting a playgroup. Featured was author and mother Stefanie Wilder-Taylor in the first part where she states, and I paraphrase, that making an issue of the aforementioned partaking of an alcoholic beverage at a playdate is just another way for women to judge women. I agree. Mothers are held to a totally different standard than anyone else.
The second part of the segment involved Meredith Vieira interviewing Melissa Summers of Suburban Bliss and Janet Taylor, a guest “expert” on something or other. My honest, trying-to- be-objective opinion is that Vieira and the “expert” pretty much ganged up on Summers and more or less demonized her with hardly an opportunity for her to clarify her points.
I totally got what Summers was saying and I thought Viera was rather unprofessional with her leading trick questions and obvious bias and when Vieira ask Melissa if she would be okay with her babysitter drinking while watching her kids, I was floored. That was clearly designed to make Melissa squirm while attempting to answer a question that falls squarely into the “damned if you do and damned if you don’t” category.
I played the segment for my husband and we were both snickering at the “expert” and her premise that imbibing in front of the kids will set a bad example because we both recalled numerous occasions here in our home when we had alcohol in the presence of our children because hello? Do you really think we would host a small party for 6-7 adults and an assload of our collective children without some alcoholic beverages?
Additionally, Husband and I both recalled our childhoods in the seventies where alcohol was pretty much a staple. My husband’s parents even had a cocktail hour every evening where the whole family would hang outside at a large table with the neighbors and all the adults had a drink. And let me tell you, there is not a more normal, well-adjusted, loving, stable, non-dysfunctional family on the planet than my husband’s.
I remember that beer was consumed by my father, IN MY PRESENCE, at the watching of most football games and certainly while BS-ing with the neighbors after a hot afternoon of yard-working, car-washing or garage-cleaning. And bearing in mind that this was the seventies, beer was always consumed while we were out on the boat and cocktails started at about 3pm when we went to my grandma’s house. Both of my parents drank freely in the presence of myself and my older sister and I would never classify either of them as having been alcoholics or problem drinkers.
What really chafed my ass the most, however, was the subtext that mothers are *and should be* held to a higher, stricter standard. The responsibility of being tee-totaling paragons of virtue instead of actual human beings is on OUR shoulders while our husbands can, as my pop used to say, “crack a cool one” while watching the game at home OR purchase alcohol and drink it without any stigma at a sporting event, and have a drink after work or basically any damn time they want to, regardless of the presence of children.
I call BULLSHIT! on all of it and I applaud Stefanie for being so direct with her opinion and I applaud Melissa for holding her own while being attacked, however politely, by both Vieira and the guest “expert.”
Oh, and in case you assume that my husband and I must be big lushes because of our views on this hot-button issue, I can assure you, unequivocally, that we’re not. We drink very infrequently, mostly because we’ll fall asleep after one of anything unless we’re entertaining or at someone else’s house (and that’s only because it’s kind of impolite to be snoring and drooling when you have company or snoring and drooling on other people’s sofas.)
You can watch the Today Show segment here. Click the button that says “Launch”
And I’m sorry to say I will probably never, ever get to be a ClubMom blogger now because if my memory serves me, Meredith Vieira is part owner of that fine internet presence. Well, at least I’m in damn good company…
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I’m 100% with you on this one, Izzy. I think when we put a stigma on things like alcohol it almost encourages kids to want to try it on the sly. I remember my mom having a half a beer with my dad, and I never thought there was anything strange or weird about it. My kids know that I’ll have a margarita when we go out for Mexican or I might have a glass of wine at home, and they don’t think of it as anything other than “a grown up drink.” For crying out loud, they’ve been to wedding receptions where people are drinking and carrying on — it’s part of the celebration!
My husband does not drink, but my kids know that I have a drink or two once or twice a month, and they still think of me as a great mom. That’s the only opinion I need.
I see your bullshit and raise you a load of horseshit.
We drink in front of kids (1 or 2 at most) and I happen to think it’s healthy for them to see the non-dysfunctional consumption of alcohol. My parents did it as well. We all continue to be (relatively) normal!
I will second (or third, or fourth) your bullshit. As I said over at Stephanie’s blog, the world doesn’t say boo to a bunch of guys who are drinking beer and watching the big game while in charge of the kids… especially if they’re giving their wives a “break” and letting them out of the house by themselves. And what about Meredith V asking Melissa if she would allow her babysitter to have a drink while watching her kids, and then saying that the mother drinking and the sitter drinking is the same thing?! Triple bullshit!
If you couldn’t tell, I’m completely ticked off at this whole non-issue. Meredith V lost a lot of points with me.
I also agree.
My husband and I are not heavy drinkers at all. In fact, we just recently threw out some bottles of leftover beer from my husband’s birthday party from three years ago. There’s nothing wrong with having a nice glass of wine on a playdate. Nothing at all.
Every year I host a holiday play date for my mommy friends with wine, cheese and some yummy appetizers. I plan a craft for the kids. For the last to years, I’ve hired a neighbor girl to come and help out with everyone’s children. It’s fun for everyone. In the five years I have been doing this, not one mother has left my house even slightly intoxicated. We come, we share wine and food and we celebrate the year we’ve spent watching our children grow up together.
People need to give us Moms some credit. Most women. I know act responsibly around their children especially when there is alcohol involved. I find it offensive that people automatically would assume that we would all be going hog wild, dancing on tables and wearing lampshades on our heads. Please.
I’m mostly with you on this, but I do think if there was a similar story on men who drink in this situation it would have been spun just as negatively (if not more) toward them. The only way drinking around kids seems to be socially acceptable is when moms and dads are both present.
I did take issue - in a big way - to the babysitter comparison. Our babysitter is also not allowed to have friends over, make lengthy phone calls, go online, take the kids out for a drive, or (duh) drink, yet my husband and I do all those things in front of our kids. Moms and dads are not babysitters. I lost a whole lot of respect for Meredith after that interview.
Did I hear you call it “bullshit”? I’ll drink to that! Aviva and I wrote our own expert opinion about how we feel about the comopolitan mother. If I were at all tech savvy, I could put the link in my comment. GoonSquadSarah has done her best to explain to me how to do this, but I still can’t do it. Maybe if I just sobered up…
Oops, that would be “cosmopolitan” not comopolitan. That’s what I get for typing while drunk.
Yeay you. Amen sister.
I think the fact that adults may have a drink now and again in front of their child sets an example of moderation. Alcohol is in our house. Its not often that we drink. But we do so in moderation. We figure that if we make it a big taboo thing, it will be “forbidden fruit” later on.
We’ve also talked to our son about adult beverages. He knows they aren’t for him. We’ve told him that he can’t have them because 1.) they won’t help him grow 2.) they would hurt a kid’s brain…
If a parent is having a drink with their meal or while visiting with people what’s the big deal?
ITA. I especially thought the point about being a role model was dumb. Isn’t showing your children how to drink RESPONSIBLY also being a good role model?!
It pissed me off that that dr Janet whatever pole up her ass woman implied that “we need to demonstrate other ways to relax in front of our children.”
Personally, I think it’s better for them to see drinking responsibly as part of normal socializing. If it’s something that mommy and daddy hides in the wee hours of the night after the kids are asleep, now what does that say? I suppose I’m echoing what mayberry is saying, but not all drinking is bad.
I agree whole heartedly that drunk-ass consumption of booze SHOULD be shown to children. I have an occasional beer at home, but far less than I used to. I do not “party” drink in front of my children, but I’ll have a beer or a glass of wine.
It’s an adult ritual that pretty much a couple of thousand years old. Humankind didn’t keel over yet from it. I love it when the Women’s Christian Temperance Union rears it’s ugly head in new form.
My Grandma was a member!
I used to love to watch her drink a bloody Mary and consider that fact.
BULLSH!T is totally correct!!!! I couldn’t belive the interview either. I’m not sure if that expert has kids (probably not), but it would have been great to ask her & Meredith if either had EVER had a drink in front of their children. Come on. Meredith being the high-class socialite who’s been to more parties than most parents, can’t say she’s NEVER held a drink that precious hand of hers.
Not only that, but lets all remember that Chuck-E-Cheese serves beer. A children’s dining establishment serving alcohol! Mostly to keep the parents there because it’s playground hell inside.
I love your site and visit often. Just have never commented. Had to say something this time around. I just got my site up and running. Come visit!!
Lots of random thoughts about this coming your way:
The thing is, doctors can’t distinguish between problem drinking and occasionally enjoying an alcoholic beverage. Doctors, if you ask me, should be more skilled in the art of moderation.
But I really, really, really wish Melissa hadn’t said explained why she wouldn’t let a babysitter drink on the job. I really wish she had looked Meridith straight in the eye and said she couldn’t believe she was equating a babysitter with a mother. And any further explaination would be a waste of time on such an inferior intellect. Otherwise, perhaps the babysitter should take our place in the bedroom, too.
This is just about the silliest thing ever, really. I really want to write to Today (a show I can’t stand for it’s editorial bullshit) and ask when they plan on doing the piece about dads taking their kids to the ballgame and getting tanked on beer?
No they’re more interested in anything they can twist to get a reaction.
Moms are always good targets. We all seem to hate each other.
I really wish she had looked Meridith straight in the eye and said she couldn’t believe she was equating a babysitter with a mother.
Right ON!
I totally forgot you could get pitchers of beer at Charles Fromåge. Excellent point!
OMG, yes, yes, a thousand times YES. Bullshit has indeed been called. And it is what it is. Bullshit. And this?
I really wish she had looked Meridith straight in the eye and said she couldn’t believe she was equating a babysitter with a mother.
Can I make a bumper sticker out of that? Seriously?
I can see both sides of the argument. But only because there’s a fine line between having a couple glasses of wine, and downing seven martinis… and then leaving said party and driving home buzzed with your kids in the backseat.
Seems like a silly topic to have on the Today show, irregardless.
Now if my babysitter was to drink on the job, in my home? NO effin’ way. I’m paying her to watch my kids, not “relax and unwind.” She can do that on her own time.
Sorry for posting again … I just can’t shut up.
I disagree with Blonde Chick, even though I agree with what I think she means. There is NOT a fine line between a couple glasses of wine and downing seven martinis. There is a definite distinction, and one that the Today show muddied.
Moms are babysitters? Where’s my back pay? Kudos to Melissa for maintaining her composure. Curses to Viera for being a fuckwit.
Oh, yeah. I especially liked the ongoing focus on the glasses of wine and the music–all of which was “lush” music. You could tell what impression they wanted you to get…that no matter what these women said, they were all ALCOHOLICS and ENDANGERING THEIR CHILDREN and we should all be tut-tutting and looking down our noses at them.
Bah.
ooops typo - you know I meant NON drunk ass consumption of booze, like, normal social beverage consumption!
This is why I don’t watch T.V. “news” programs. Nothing is real, everything is sensationalized. Thank God for the internet. I can’t imagine what it would be like to have to trust those like Viera for accurate information.
I can’t believe I missed this during my sick days!
What a boatload of Bullshit! It’s absurd to think a mother could be compared to a babysitter and even more absurd to assume that we mothers are to be upheld to a higher moral standard just because we happen to be sporting a vagina.
I believe the role of a mother and a father is to set the best example possible in all aspects of life, including drinking responsibly. Having one cocktail does not mean you are an unfit parent.
I know, because the adoption people told me so. Now I must go, I think I need to add some Bailey’s to my coffee and go write Meredith a friendly little letter.
Great post Izzy. Thanks for the enlightenment.
Do people really have so little to do with their day and to try and figure out what other people are doing wrong???
Izzy, did we flip back to the 1800’s and nobody told me???
As a friend, you should’ve let me know.
So I can figure out a way to smuggle in some tequila with me when we go.
That whole thing was just ludicrous.
I went and watched the video, and left her a comment.
Wow. Just wow.
It’s giving me flashbacks of that commercial you posted awhile ago. Heh.
Excuse me whilst I go find my Mary Janes …
Personally, I don’t even know why this is an issue. Is this for real? Just another reason I avoid “playgroups” all together.
Small aside - You know, my husband grew up in a hippie family, surrounded by pot. I asked him once if he ever tried it, and he said not really. It was around him all his life - it’s not like using it would be some form of rebellion, and so it lost the appeal to ever want to do it.
Modeling responsible drinking - showing that a person can enjoy an alcoholic beverage or two without getting drunk and out of control - is a great lesson to teach our kids. And yeah, their issue that it’s only wrong if it is a bunch of moms at home with kids is crazy, sexist, and insulting.
We drink alcohol. We like wine. We are responsible with alcohol. We have even drunk alcohol in front of the kids, and taken them to events that had plenty of alcohol, although it never occured to any of us to actually drink in front of the kids at a playgroup.
I secretly suspect we don’t drink before 5 because many days that feels like the only barrier between “in control of the alcohol” and “the alcohol is in control of me.” ;)
Why I Used to Drink: Liked the taste of wine and some mixed drinks.
Why I Drink Now: I have kids.
;)
In all seriousness, I wouldn’t do it, drink at playgroup. Not in my situation. Alcohol alters my physical and mental ability and it takes every ounce of that to stay on top of it with my kids.
Coffee, tea, water, other non-alcoholic beverages are ample. Alcohol doesn’t seem *necessary* to me. Moreover, it seems like a bad idea for *me.*
I don’t know about anyone else. That’s their own judgment call.
As far as the segment goes…not cool.
This is what I not nicely call the Mommy Olympics and you can count me out.
I’m sick to death of the whole judging moms. Is there ANY sacred part? Any trust?
Once the egg is fertilized, somehow you, your body, and your mind not to mention your life and lifestyle get to be PUBLIC PROPERTY.
Bugger off, public.
Sorry…this just falls into a big button of irritation/ pet peeve I have.
You can give me a membership to the unwelcome at ClubMom club because I see nothing wrong with it either. I wrote a big vent about it today because it was the only way to keep my head from exploding.
I totally agree. And what happens if I have a glass of wine with dinner?
I haven’t seen that, but whoa! I can’t quite understand some people at all, with all that goes on in todays world that negatively effects children, that this is what is focused on. I hope that they are getting scads of negative feedback on this.
Add my childhood to the long list of ones where my parents drank in front of me and in the presence of my friends and theirs and nothing bad happened. (gasp!)
In fact, I’d go one further to say that I learned that drinking alcohol is something adults do responsibly rather than binging, and in the company of friends.
Izzy,
I had not heard an inkling about any of this. The video segment really upset me. I second everything you have said here today. In fact, I hope you don’t mind, but I am also going to link to that video, and your blog. Thanks for the heads up!
Last night we had another couple over for dinner and I had 3 glasses of wine before the kids were in bed. I was definitely tipsy, if not drunk. This doesn’t bother me. At all. It’s not like it’s a common occurance, no one was out of control, we were in a safe environment, yada yada. In fact, I could really give a shit what anybody else thinks about it.
I was so fired up after watching the Today show segment on Friday that I spent the better part of yesterday writing a post about it. I am still mad when I think about it.
And yeah, I’m guessing I won’t be called by ClubMom anytime soon either…
Hi Izzy, I have to say this one kind of leaves me speechless. (But not.) My mother’s mothering books recommended a glass of scotch or a smoke to calm down if you were scared of labour; my OB overseas said not only could I have several glasses of wine a week while pregnant, but I SHOULD. Good for me, good for the baby. My OB here said she wouldn’t be my doctor if I drank at all.
It shocks me how people approach alcohol in the States. It’s no differnent than anything else we live, do, eat, breathe in front of our children. We model enjoyment and responsibilty at the dinner table with a glass of wine or in the afternoon with a glass of wine. The whole thing is just weird to me… I love that you wrote about it. But honestly, can Meredith ever hold our respect again?
I’m a million years old. Well, okay, not quite that old but my children are 31 and 27. When I was pregnant in the mid to late 70’s my Dr. prescribed a glass of wine in my ninth month of pregancy. I had 9 and 10lb babies. Would I drink a bottle of wine? No. Of course not. But I can only imagine what an uproar it would be for a pregnant woman to go to a bar and order a glass of wine. I wouldn’t be surprised if someone didn’t call the police.
Yet, I was beaten up in an attempted robbery, at 11:30 AM in broad daylight and 10 people stood there watching not wanting to get involved.
Does every subject under the sun (especially family issues) need to be discussed and opinionated these days? So much judgement.
I’m bored to tears with these issues. They are talked to death. No room for acceptance or common sense.
And, btw, a babysitter is an employer. She/he is working. It’s her job. I don’t drink on my job and neither should she/he.
Duh Meredith. Yes, it is completely different if I’m watching my own child and decide to have a glass of wine than if my babysitter does the same. Not everything is “equal”. Just as now raising a 12 year old niece I might allow her to watch a PG13 movie at home but not out with her friends. Different situation warrant different responses.
Sorry it’s late…he prescribed a glass of wine A DAY in my 9th month ….
And I was referring to a situation of what would happen today if a pregnant woman ordered wine in a bar..
…And a babysitter is an employEE….And, if nothing else the subject somehow brought me to this great blog and I’m thankful for that.
Wow - I must have been living under a rock, because I had no idea about it.
I will fully admit that I wouldn’t drink on a playdate - but only because, like someone else said, I can feel the effects with one and I’m pretty sure I wouldn’t be able to stop at just one. Plus - I am a huge worrier and always concerned with what others would say, so I have this fear that it would bite me in the ass in the future and people would start calling me, “that lush with the six kids”. Living in a small town does that to you. Anyway, my husband and I drink a beer or two every night when he gets home. He works late, so when he walks in the door, it’s almost bedtime for the kids and we kick back with Labatt’s. I didn’t realize it was such a crime.
I feel horrible for Melissa. I suck at confrontations and I think I probably would have started crying. The line of comparing a babysitter with a mom is priceless - and one I never would’ve come up with.
Funny - I just did a post today about how I think all of these parenting debates and judging others is a load of shit. I seriously do not remember my mother ever judging another on how they raised her kids during my childhood. When did the boundaries disappear? Just because we gave birth, we lose all of our rights, responsibilities and privacy as parents? It’s crazy.
(I know the Today Show wasn’t saying that parents drinking at home was a crime, but it’s only a matter of time before someone will. My comment was mainly directed at those who have said that around the Internet.) :)
Amen sister!
I’m drinking a toast to you right now.
Man! I would so want to answer some of those questions!!
I just left a comment at table4five about this. I don’t drink, but seriously, you nailed it when you said this is just another way for women to judge other women. That is what I said in a round about way on my comment over there. If women could support one another without all the judging, imagine what a happy easy world we would live in!
There was a time when I worried about not being in the Club Mom sect and then I went to BlogHer and was mildly shunned when I stepped into their private cocktail party at the bar. The public bar. Where I was just trying to get a drink. Heh. The irony. Those ClubMommers were drinking when clearly little old me, the nobody who smelled of coffee beans, wanted a drink, too.
It’s The Junior League for this century, no?
Good company indeed, darlin. I think “Bullshit” is the most succinct summation out there.
It is less than “Mommy Wars” aspect to the Today show segment than the overwhelmingly American notion that equates motherhood with martyrdom, self-sacrifice, perfection, and robotic attention to behavior.
On the other hand, nothing makes me feel as good about my mothering as the outpouring of indignance that I’m seeing ripple across the blogosphere in reaction. We’re people too, goddammit! And I’m embracing that.
It’s enough to make a pregnant girl want a drink, I tell you what (but that’s an entirely different debate, I realize).
The stuff they put on television these days. Bullshit. Now I need a drink.
I just left a comment on thebeanblog that I am glad I saw my parents drink around me. I learned how to drink responsibly. And I plan on having my nightly martini or glass of wine to show my kids that it’s possible to drink in moderation and enjoy life and not be too uptight and/or go overboard out of rebellion.
Of course, I’m just agreeing with everything you said so really, all I need to add is “AMEN.”
Good grief! It isn’t as if these moms are getting wasted, they’re enjoying an ADULT beverage! Maybe we shouldn’t drive or vote in front of our kids either, since they aren’t old enough to do those things. Gimmee a break already, I agree with the bullsh!t call too.
Agreed. About everything.
Question: How do the kids know WHAT ure drinking? How is having a glass of clear or ruby liquid in a fancy glass setting a bad example? This is most puzzling…
My daughter goes to private school and they have a festival in the summer on the school grounds and there is much drinking as in pitchers of Yuengling etc. What would they think about that? Plenty of parents drink in front of their children. I think it’s more important to show children to drink responsibly (as in not getting trashed) and in limited quantities than to show them a complete ban on the beverages. The Today show needs to lighten up. Play group cocktails is not the equivalent of an Amber Alert and they should stop trying to incite and outrage people and just do the damn show already.
Excellent commentary on this issue. I am in total agreement.
Well said! I am not even a mom and that Today segment chapped my ass. All I could think was, “WTF?” I haven’t read Melissa’s latest. I am off to do that pronto.
Since Meredith signs my paychecks, can I vent here?
I thought what was supposed to be a “discussion” turned into a “debate” which aired as a “puff piece”. What a shame. An opportunity to support moms and we were villified instead.
I think if the segment had been twice as long and if it had been a round table debate, it would have been much more fair. But, then they knew that didn’t they?
I’ll tell you something- they are lucky that half of us don’t walk around with an IV drip of valium - some days! A drink is not making a bad parent- shheesh! I was a club mom lover till I found blogs- now I no longer frequent it- so ha! to them! keep up the great work!
I’m just now playing blog catch-up and wanted to comment on this. I don’t even have kids yet and this pisses me off. What made my blood boil most is that their ‘expert’ kept saying mothers need to find healthier ways to be social. Does that mean mothers can NEVER drink, kids or not? She made it sound like a case against women and mothers drinking PERIOD.
Disgusting. And whoever said it up there was right…they set it up to make it look like the women were getting sloshed and not just having a glass. Media…gahh!
I agree that Meredith Vieira made herself some new non-drinking buddies (and alienated the rest of us) over this one.
That said, I really can’t take this whole to-do seriously. You called it right - utter bullshit.
I’m just getting really tired in general of the media establishing guidelines for raising children. I’d rather drink ten Manhattans in front of the little ones than allow them to believe what they see on television is accurate and truthful.
The experts can take a hike, too. Most of them end up being more dysfunctional than the people they are allegedly trying to help.
Having had some personal experience with the media lately, I know for a fact that the story is written before the interview takes place.
I am offended and I am just pregnant. A load of crap. Totally. Like you said, our parents had a drink or two and it has NOT messed me (or my husband) up in the least bit. It was a thing that we as kids knew that ADULTS could do. Just like saying “Shit” or driving the car.
If you ask me, there’s too much psycho-babble bullshit these days.
And I agree with your views on “mom’s should be held to a higher standard.” I’m sorry, but if ANYTHING mom’s hold THEMSELVES to a higher standard, without anyone else doing it for them. How else would they make it through the day with 3 kids and a job and housework to accomplish?
Mom’s are people too. Some of my fondest memories of times with my mom and her friends were parties where they would have cocktails and we would get likke NA Shirley Temples with 7-up and cherries and they would give us kids fancy straws. I loved nothing more than seeing my mom relaxed and giggling with her girlfriends.
You said exactly what I wasn’t able to in my post about this. Shame on Meredith. What really chapped my hide was when the expert lady said something about how we should not rely on substances to cope. These days, who doesn’t use a substance of some form or the other to cope. I’ll bet expert lady uses some substance to help her feel all happy with herself when she’s patronizing others. She needs a glass of wine.
I can’t even stand it. What the hell was this person supposed to be an expert on, anyhow? Nothing that involves sense or reason, that much is clear. There’s a huge difference between an occasional single social drink with friends and modelling binge drinking to escape problems or chronic alcoholism, fercryinoutloud. heck, as a kid I always got to sip the foam and the dregs from my dad’s beer. He’s far from alcoholic, and I drink one or two drinks maybe once a month at most, so chalk up another voice for thinking it’s just fine, thanks.
(although as an aside - perhaps if you fall asleep after one drink, it might not be a great idea to drink while caring for your kids… *snicker!*)
Where are children supposed to learn about moderation and appropriate drinking habits? Oh ya at a jr high dance, with little Johnny who stole a mayonnaise jar and filled it with a bit of hard liquor from every bottle he could find in his alcoholic parents liquor cabinet. Each take a sip, pass it on until one or more are puking with alcohol poisoning. Their parents can pick them up from the hospital after they’ve had their stomach pumped. Shake their finger at them, ‘have you learned your lesson now?’. The child will sit in the back seat of the car on the long ride home wondering, when it all went exactly wrong. The big AHA moment, it was the rum, vodka, tequila, amaretto, whiskey, rye, brandy mix, next time, avoid the mix; use only one for the evening!
Thankfully they didn’t have a mom who would only drink one or two drinks occasionally, it could have all turned out so much worse.
Yes, my tongue is in my cheek, why do you ask?
I missed it, and thank God.
That really chaps my ass! I’m glad you called Bullshit!