Women vs. Women
A few days ago, someone who shall remain unidentified came by our house for a visit. While she was here, she lamented over recently having to go to a local county office, which happened to be in the same building as other social services such as Medicaid, food stamps, welfare, WIC etc.
Them: “Ugh, it was so disgusting. The people were so GROSS. I just wanted them all to get away from me. Ugh. The nastiest people (Translation: poor people) you’ve ever seen sitting all around me. And this big woman next to me just pulled her enormous boob out and started feeding her baby — RIGHT NEXT TO ME!”
Me: What was she supposed to do? Her baby needs to eat.
Them: Well, I know but it was so big and her dress was torn and…
Me: She can’t help how big her boob is. Why does it matter?
Would it have been okay for a small-breasted woman to publicly feed her baby? Because this isn’t the first time I’ve heard a large-breasted woman be criticized for public breastfeeding.
Them: She was just so nasty. She should have used a little blanket or something, like you used to do…
NOTE: I haven’t done that since my first baby was about two weeks old. The blanket thing got old REAL fast.)
Me: *blink*
This is not someone I want to get into an argument with and no matter how skillfully I would have argued the point that breasts, big or otherwise, are not dirty or gross and do not need to be treated as shameful things, I don’t think it would have mattered so I didn’t. I just brewed over it instead.
Am I being a hypocrite and judging her right back?
Uh…yeah, I guess I am. How could I not?
And as I sit in judgment, so high and mighty, I have questions…
How do we alter an entire culture’s backward social mores and puritanical thinking?
Why are women less offended by being objectified as sexual things than they are by the sight of a woman nursing her baby?
How do you make people, women even, understand and accept that breasts are not naughty body parts that only exist to arouse men or sell beer (or any number of other unrelated products) and that they are actually intended to serve but one function, which is to feed babies. Shocking!
Even more important, how do you get women to stop judging other women so harshly?
Sadly, I’m not sure us women will ever stop looking at each other with such harsh disdain. Other women, in a primitive, instinctual way, are the competition and we seem to be almost hardwired for it.
But Christ on a crutch…will we ever learn to just keep it to ourselves?
Mothering, breastfeeding, body image etc etc etc. There are an endless number of ways for us to throw each other under the bus.
Can we or will we ever learn to just NOT?
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Edited to add: Must be something in the air… Melanie shared a link in the comments to Bitch PhD who has a very interesting post that stems from a somewhat controversial post here by Ann Althouse. They are both very relevant to my post, but in different ways. If you have a moment, go read them. Feel free to come back and share your thoughts.
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i think that judging to some extent is a natural part of being human. or maybe it’s just being a woman. we judge, even when we don’t mean too. i think that some people are just far less open minded, and don’t even realize it. she probably has no idea that what she was saying was even remotely offensive to anyone… especially not to you, otherwise she wouldn’t have said it to you. people suck. and sometimes, i’m one of them.
So many aspects of this exchange bother me. But to your main point - the way women judge each other so harshly - I have to agree that it seems hardwired. But why can’t we subject those snap judgments to a little INTERNAL rational analysis (in other words, don’t give voice to them without a little consideration beforehand) and understand WHY we reacted that way. Perhaps it might help us not jump to conclusions so quickly the next time we’re confronted with a similar situation.
Furthermore, I shudder to think of the example parents are setting by making such harsh comments in front of their children.
What a fat-wit. (Your relative, not you.) And yes, fat-witted is a real word.
As an aside, next time you see me about to eat a Big Mac, remind me that I’m allergic to cheese and wheat. So not worth it.
To witness the ignorance of another human is always an amazing thing.
I think the only way to counter such negative ideas and stereotypes as these are to talk about them. Open and frank discussion. And realize there will always be “fat-wits” (thanks Wendy) who will be closed minded.
I’m with you. I just don’t understand why people are freaked out by breastfeeding in public. It is one of the most natural things on the planet. How did we get so uptight?
Hey, Bitch PhD has a great post up today debating a related topic.
When did boobs become anathema? When did being comfortable in your body make you a “bad girl”? Why?
And why is it mostly women that make these judgments?
I remember when I was breastfeeding my first baby in my own home and a relative of my husband’s asked me to go feed the baby upstairs so they wouldn’t have to see. IN MY OWN HOME! I did because it was my first baby, but that shit would never fly with me now! I’m totally with you on ALL your points today. Why can’t people just all help each other get ahead instead of tearing each other down? It’s like that story about the rats that you don’t have to put the lid on the cage because when one starts to climb up, they all pull it back down because they don’t want it to get ahead, never realizing that if they just all left each other alone or helped each other, they could ALL get out. Anyone else ever heard of that or am I just crazy and making things up? Could be something someone made up because I’ll believe almost anything, but the story still makes a good point.
Yay! I mean, phew. Or whatever. At least I’m not the only one…
But still, I’m writing a bit about this tomorrow or Wednesday or whenever I have it scheduled.
It’s hard to get people to have empathy. I think that’s what it comes down to. Being able to feel or experience what others feel/experience. And that takes intelligence and education and damn good parenting.
Amens and Hallelujahs from the choir!
I think we all face things we are uncomfortable with. I understand someone might be uncomfortable with breastfeeding in public (the prejudice against the poor is harder for me to deal with) but it is what we do with those feelings. What is so hard about saying, “This woman started breastfeeding right next to me and I was uncomfortable with it. You breastfed openly Izzy. Can you talk tome about this?” Honest questions are so much easier to work with than when uncomfortable feelings are projected into harsh judgments. (Now, I cannot pretend to be a judge-free woman. I do make judgments, on a daily, if not hourly basis. I need to confess that. I am not perfect but I hope to continue to grow past that.)
I breastfed where and when necessary although I did have some qualifications. With my first, I worked with highschoolers who were at my house all the time. I did not breastfeed, blanket or not in front of the boys. I do believe in discretely doing the job but there are limits and I know a few people at least got glimpses of more than I intended. No one died as a result.
The acceptance of breast feeding is generational. In my mother’s day, it was hide away. In my day, it was use a blanket. For my daughter-in-law, it was feeding time. Period.
These things do change over time. But, one thing that hasn’t is prejudice. Any kind of prejudice…racial, fat vs thin, educational, intellectual, religious and so on.
People may be poor. But not stupid. Someone may have a handicapped. But they’re not stupid.
Who knows, I may be living in an upper, middle-class neighborhood NOW, but be one paycheck away from living on the street.
Being ignorant is what we are when we should know better. Being poor does NOT equate to being ignorant.
The breastfeeding phobia baffles me. As does the poor people phobia.
So…if some thin, attractive, well-dressed woman publicly breast-fed her baby, do you think your relative would have had the same reaction?
Of course not. I don’t think the issue here is really about public breastfeeding; it’s more about big, tattered poor people creeping into our comfort zone. The sight of this woman’s breast probably sent your relative over the edge, resulting in her venting to you, but the sight of her, in her tattered clothes and baby crying fatness, was probably enough.
“Can we or will we ever learn to just not?”
No, unfortunately.
But we can try.
Where’s your relative live? ’cause I’m a bit fat and I’m certainly poor and I know I’ve breastfed in public recenty. Although not in a dress, torn or otherwise, since I don’t own one.
I know I can be judgemental, too, so I probably shouldn’t talk, but the “breastfeeding is disgusting” brigade really gets up my (fat, poor) nose.
The poor are my bread and butter practically - I work as duty counsel in the criminal courts and many of our clients are as you described. It shocks me how much breastfeeding is still taboo in this day. We’re apparently okay with breasts all over magazines (which often appear in grocery stores per your earlierpost) and women being shown as sexual objects but heaven forbid they be used for their intended purpose.
I wish I had something to say, but I don’t. I’m so tired of the breastfeeding wars and yet I know they’ll wage on for years to come and I’m not willing to give up on my position. Maybe that’s what needs to happen, we just have to keep fighting and informing. Maybe it will make some difference, someday.
We don’t want to give them public assistance and we don’t want them to breastfeed…has anyone noticed the price of formula lately? What is a poor woman to do EXCEPT breastfeed?
Your visitor was doing more than just (inappropriately) insulting other women, she was also broadcasting her classist views. I don’t understand why people have a problem with breastfeeding (in public or otherwise), but I also think it is not ok to be horrified by people just because they are poor. Charming. I’ve got a racist, sexist, homophobic relative (by marriage, not blood, thankfully) and I know he won’t change, but I’m also not ok with letting his crap slide, either. Instead of getting into arguments with him, I let him know I disagree or tell him he can’t spew his venom around me.
I know I won’t change him, but at least being around him is a lot more pleasant (and he is forced to know that not everyone agrees with him).
I don’t get what the big deal with breast feeding is either. I’m guilty of the judgy stuff sometimes. But its mainly with people I find to be insensitive, nosy, moochers that say things like, “Yeah, I got this handicapped parking sticker so I use it to get the best parking spots every time. Hey, its the ONLY good thing about having a special needs child.” (Her child has no physical disabilities. And she uses it even when he’s not with her.)
Izzy, I believe this is the first time I’ve commented on your site since I started reading you recently but I must say you have become one of my favs and moved to the top of my MUST read list (the MUST reads that I do between chasing the girl). This post is fantastic because I think so many of us have run into these prejudices and insensitivities. You are so right about lamenting “how do you get women to stop judging other women so harshly?”. Dead on with the “keep it to yourself” - when are we going to learn? Great post.
People will always judge one another. It is human nature. I don’t know if we will ever have the ability not to. This reminds me of that whole Baby Talk magazine issue with a mother breastfeeding her child on the cover a few months ago. They got 4,000 letters about that issue, most of them negative, claiming it was disgusting. Talk about being judgmental. Of course, I had to write about that one…
There is another book out, The Decency Wars: The Campaign To Cleanse America, that looks interesting-How we are defining decency amidst an increasingly Puritanical society. Now if that ain’t cutting it close to the truth, I dont know what is. The fact that we are becoming more puritanial (as a society), is disturbing to me, and perhaps that is part of the problem-part-.
I wish we could get past it all.
I will never understand the criticism of the whole thing.
Circumstances didn’t allow for me to breastfeed my daughter. These days, when I do notice a woman breastfeeding, I’m very hard put not to STARE. I find it beautiful and it fascinates the hell out of me.
I don’t stare though. Good way to get locked up. Or at least a dirty look. LOL.
I just went and had a look at the ‘picture’, the blogs and the subsequent comments.
How odd.
I really don’t see anything wrong with the way she’s standing at all.
WTF? The whole thing seems pretty catty to me.
I don’t think we can ever truly stop judging. I think the most we can do is just be aware of it and take actions to become more tolerant and understanding in every situation.
You make such good points. I sat there reading your account totally judging her for being judgemental. Is my judging any more right because I think I am taking the least offensive road? I think what we need is awareness, acceptance, understanding …
I’m all for equal rights and women not being treated like sexual objects but at the same time I don’t see anything wrong with feeling confident or God forbid SEXY. And I’m mean sexy not slutty. I think there is a difference. When I look at the photo I see a very confidant, attractive woman.
Passing judgements is a sad part of life and unfortunately women are the most guilty of passing judgement on other women.
It’s not in my personality to be judgemental but I have noticed that like you I will pass judgement on someone who is being judgemental. They unfortuntely bring it on themselves.
Just my 2 cents.
Yeah, I don’t know why things are this ironic. Mostly, I hate that women say mean things about one another. Women should be supporting one another. Imagine what we could do then! We would have had a woman as the President years ago. Imagine that.
I just wanted to add something about that picture: she’s just standing and smiling for the camera. Who doesnt do that? Probably honored to have lunch with the ex-president. what’s wrong with that?
Damn, I’d be pissed too if all that was commented on was my breasts and being the brunt of intern jokes all because of how I ‘posed’ in a picture…
But, I’d rather not delve too far into this subject here. Perhaps a post subject?
As a woman who had to use Medicaid for my first pregnancy, I absolutely detest crap like what that person said. For pity’s sake. *beats head on desk*
Are medium sized boobs okay to breastfeed with? I personally would have said, “Were you jealous of her big boobs?” Heh.
Sorry. Now I’m riled. I worked with a woman like this and when she was going on and on about having to get her notary thing at the public health building about how the people were nasty I responded with, “I was on medicaide for nine months and was never, not once, nasty. I would appreciate it if you would judge people on moral character as opposed to a stereotype of which you know nothing about. Could we please return to discussion on our job now?”
Hate it.
When I feel either attacked or as though someone I know is being abnormally obtuse I try to look at their life experience before I let it rile me. Clearly this family member, no offense, does not have any experience outside of a clean, sheltered way of living. While it may not be this person’s fault entirely, she is coming from a very undereducated/underenlightened place and therefore, her opinion means nothing, though to her it is probably fact. Sure, it could be hurtful if she’s talking about my big, state fair boobs, but when I think about it, it boils down to the fact that this person is spouting bullshit for lack of experience. I just can’t take that seriously and don’t let it bother me.
So, to answer your question about how can we get women to stop with the judging already . . . well, it boils down to getting women to step out of their own comfortable boxes (or ivory towers) and experience things as real. And SEE others as real and listen to what they are really saying. Leave the feeling threatened at the door. Yes, someone is prettier, smarter, has bigger/smaller/rounder/more perfect boobs/hips/waistline/arms/ass than you do. It’s the way of the world and we as women need to get over that and move on so that we can talk about real issues.
Christ on a crutch! I haven’t heard that expression in a while. LOL!
I think that women (and men) whom cannot relate to others and judge them harshly are extremely insecure with their own self image. Unfortunately, it happens quite often- the need to put others down to justify one’s own self worth.
Oprah said years ago that the most flattering way for women to stand in pictures (or dance for that matter) is in the manner that Jessica is standing in that picture. I started reading through all the links and then the links to those links and my head started to spin. I don’t get it. Then again, Clinton is involved and I don’t get him either.
As far as the breastfeeding goes, people need to mind their own damn business. If you don’t like it, then don’t look. It drives me nuts.
“Am I being a hypocrite and judging her right back?”
No, most excellent and delightful Izzy Mom. You were deflecting the stank of bullshit most foul and ignorant.
Carry on with your badass self, IzzyMom.
Judging someone for being a bigot or an ass is perfectly acceptable. Also for wearing open-toed sandals with hose (like the hose itself isn’t bad enough).
I just checked out the Ann Althouse post and let’s just say she’s not someone I’d like to be friends with. I love that mudflap visual and Jessica feeling comfortable with her sexuality. Sorry if Ann isn’t comfortable with it but really, that’s her problem.
I think there must be something in the air this week. I’ve been flamed several times, and it seems that we can’t all just get along.
I agree with Mom101 - I wouldn’t be friends with Old Althouse either. Ack.
Wait! Old is good! I’m old!
Ugh. I hate that kind of attitude. My In-laws once sat at a certain subway stop to determine whether or not they wanted to live in a certain area. They were trying to determine the demographic. They determined that here were not enough ‘white people. Dead Stop. Jaw on floor. They have similar attitudes to breast feeding, homosexuality, you name it they’ve got issues. And so do many people out there. So, I choose to argue with people all the time about close minded attitudes. Figure I gotta make a stand.
Ok, so lord knows I’ve covered the breastfeedng thing…but to the bigger issue-sometimes I wonder if I’m LOOKING for a fight. Today I got crazy of the idea women should give up their engagement rings. Why is that? I can try and justify it by saying I’m fighting for keeping minds open, different viewpoints, etc. But sometimes, I wonder if it’s just in our nature to fight?
So, wait, now– this woman who needs public assistance just to feed herself and her kids should use what little cash she can scrape to buy herself some fashionable new clothes and buy her baby some formula so that your “friend” here won’t have to be offended by her very presence?
Or should the all the poor people just be sent away to camps where we won’t have to look at them anymore?
Sometimes I think every person on this planet needs to go through one year of being poor. I went through several, as a child. I’d be happy to trade someone some of my experiences for some of theirs. Preferably someone who had a pony as a kid. I always wanted a pony.
I find it so irritating that some of the same people who have a problem with public breastfeeding see nothing wrong with young models wearing revealing clothes. I always point out to the breastfeeding “haters” that “that’s what they’re FOR”.
I don’t get it either. I would have given anything to be able to breast feed (long story). I admire any woman who can do it, publicly or otherwise. It’s a shame that in these days, women who breast feed are made to feel badly about their choice…just like woman who don’t breast feed.
I always get angry when people are offended by breastfeeding. It’s because of the people you desribed that I never breastfed in public. They made me feel ashamed and I was too hormonal or too stupid to realize that I had nothing to be ashamed about.
Thanks for writing this post.
Yikes. I’m not sure if I even want to COMMENT after reading what I would consider almost harassing comments on those!
Hi…i just wanna say that i happen to be 100%against breastfeeding in public, i find this act to be revolting and sexually obscene. Public breastfeeding is a primative behaviour which shows that we are not much different than Animals, we as a society needs to stop abandoning common sense that public breastfeeding is indecent behaviour and quit looking at this whole issue as womens rights political correctness Bull****. The trouble with our society is that its too liberal, we live in a liberal free society that teaches us as a new generation to be rude and impolite and to make it ok to be rude and impolite which is what public breastfeeding is. A liberal society is miseducating a new generation to socially accept this indecent, lowclass, primative behaviour to where we are becoming more like ignorant savages and plus lose a civilized society with no moral values. These liberal womens rights lactivist are doing everything they can to indoctrinate a new generation in the 21th century of the bad ways which we should look at as social mores. Lactivist are a poison to this country and they set a bad example for all breastfeeding stay-at-home-moms, the ideal traditional conservative breastfeeding mother, usually stays at home with her children to breastfeed, or to show some class by breastfeeding her baby in a restaurant bathroom to show some honor and respect for all restaurant customers. Any women who has class would do that, public breastfeeding needs to be banned in all 50 states to make America a decent more civilized country with good moral values since the pilgrims came out here. Public indecent exposure such as breastfeeding in public is eroding our society, which is contributing this moral breakdown in our society. A society who believes in manners and decency would and can make a difference by signing petitions to have laws passed to make public indecent exposure illegal such as public breastfeeding by getting involved in the Republican convention. Public breastfeeding is a ugly, shameful, dirty, sexually explicit act that makes all women look bad and makes the ideal traditional conservative breastfeeding mother look bad. Public indecent exposure is whats hurting the moral fabrics of America’s values , because it used to be at one time or a nother that breastfeeding was done behind closed doors and remained a mystery. People knew about breastfeeding back in the 1920’s, 1930’s, 1940’s, 1950’s and 1960’s era, it just wasnt veiwed out in public to push it in our face sort of thing which gave women a sense of dignity, decency and class. I dont have a problem at all with breastfeeding or nursing in public, i only support nursing in public, but only with the acception of a babybottle, just not THERE KIND of nursing in public of how Lactivist want it to be as an arrogant push-it-in-your-face-boobs sort of attitude. Like i already said before, lactivist dont set good examples for every breastfeeding women out there, they are bad role models for every idealistic conservative, traditional stay-at-home breastfeeding mother out there. Lactivist are hateful (make-trouble-for-you-people) bunch of scumbag militant groups that have really made a big embarrasment for all decent breastfeeding mothers out there and made a big embarrasment for themselves. These nurse-in-mother lactivist need to be repelled from our society and deserve a shot of pepper spray in there eyes for making business hard for Delta company when they sit around with no life to hold up signs for a big demonstration all because some lowclass trash like Emily Gillette couldnt take responsibilitys for her actions to use discretion or to take it to a bathroom. Public breastfeeding does tend to creepout restaurant-store customers and also makes business look bad, it gives a restaurant-store establishment a bad image. Women should feel a sense of shame, embarrasment, awkwardness and feeling out of place before doing something discraceful like that. If our screwy liberal government and senators are having legislation passed to have public indecent exposure such as public breastfeed legal just about anywhere including the workforce, how long will it be till laws are being passed to urinate-defacate in public. In france its perfectly legal to urinate in public and could very well be like that in America with the rate of socially accepting public breastfeeding to be a social norm
Public breastfeeding does bounce around completely unrestrained, offending much of the world. As a conservative that i am, all i’m asking for public breastfeeding mothers out there to use dignity and politeness when breastfeed your baby. Breastfeeding should be a private matter between the mother and child like taking it to a bathroom, a car or a lounging room where its out of the way of others. Natural bodily functions such as public breastfeeding should not be shared with the rest of the public because then its no longer a private matter between the mother her child, it pretty much makes it my business and everyone elses business
wow OK, where to start? As a quick aside before we get into this - this week does seem to be rife with very strong male points of view. See the comments on my post ‘are all women evil’, some very scary stuff there!
Re your original post: Until I had a child myself things like breastfeeding in public used to ick me out a little too, I couldn’t explain why and knew that it was the woman’s right to feed her child etc etc but still, I found it a bit icky. However there is a big difference between finding something a bit icky and not realising that you are the one with the problem and voicing completely inappropriate things to someone like a mother. I think your friend needs to learn a little acceptance and possibly some tact as well. As to the poor reference, I think that has been covered very well in the above comments.
Re Sean’s Comments: I am just going to pick out a few things I would like to comment on.
1. ‘I find this act to be revolting and sexually obscene.’ - The fact that men find breasts to be a very sexually alluring part of the body is neither here nor there really Sean, there original purpose was to feed our young with. Breastfeeding is not a sexual act.
2.’The ideal traditional conservative breastfeeding mother, usually stays at home with her children to breastfeed.’ - you do of course realise that young babies can feed as often as every hour through the day don’t you? When would this perfect housewife of your have time to do the grocery shopping? (Tongue is firmly in cheek here by the way girls).
3. ‘Public breastfeeding is a ugly, shameful, dirty, sexually explicit act that makes all women look bad and makes the ideal traditional conservative breastfeeding mother look bad. Public indecent exposure is whats hurting the moral fabrics of America’s values’ - Ugly, shameful, dirty and sexually explicit? Really? I don’t think the infant sees it that way do you? Nor the mother? Nor the father of the child? Nor the majority of society? Who then do we think might have the problem here?
4. ‘Arrogant push-it-in-your-face-boobs sort of attitude.’ this sentence made me laugh. Brought to mind an image of a woman just pulling up her top and shoving her boobs in your face - although i know many men who wouldn’t mind to fair. As an aside to this comment though, surely you can avert your gaze, you don’t to stare you know, didn’t your mother teach you that it’s not polite?
5. ‘Lactivist are hateful (make-trouble-for-you-people) bunch of scumbag militant groups that have really made a big embarrassment for all decent breastfeeding mothers out there and made a big embarrassment for themselves.’ - i don’t believe that you really mean that do you? Hateful? Hateful against what or whom exactly? Although i do find the use of the word embarrassment here interesting. Although I think the embarrassment is perhaps yours at seeing boobs in public. Do you still giggle when someone says the words boobs Sean? OK, that was a cheap shot - I apologise.
6. ‘public breastfeeding needs to be banned in all 50 states to make America a decent more civilized country with good moral values since the pilgrims came out here’. - if your goal is to make America a more decent and civilized place perhaps you start by looking at rape, child abuse, drug use, prostitution… might have a bigger impact than a some people feeding their babies.
7. ‘how long will it be till laws are being passed to urinate-defacate in public. In france its perfectly legal to urinate in public and could very well be like that in America with the rate of socially accepting public breastfeeding to be a social norm’. - OK now you are just being silly. The objection to urinating in public is a lot more to do with health and safety than indecent exposure. Did you know, in the UK it is perfectly legal for a man to urinate in public as long as he does on the rear wheel of his car. The thought being that as long as the stinky smelly stuff goes with him society doesn’t really care about seeing his bits. We have all seen penis’s and breast before - there is nothing offensive about them and if we don’t like it we look away. Before you start on about how would I like it if someone was waving their penis around in a public place - if the purpose of said penis waving was to feed young (assuming for a minute that our bodies were wired differently) then there is no problem at all - if you are talking about plain old waving it around for thrills - I would probably just laugh at you to be honest but i have a very odd sense of humor. In fact I posted something about this yesterday - read the ‘chuck e cheese flasher’ post on my site.
I think rather than trying to convince yourself that this is still the 1920’s you should perhaps try learning some acceptance and maybe dealing with those issues you have regarding women. Just as a side thought - if you do indeed look at breastfeeding as a sexual act there are plenty of online communities that cater to this particular fetish, I believe it is called infantalism.
My God! I just wrote a huge long reply and then I posted it and it disappeared! WTF. Can I be bothered doing it again? Probably not.
Please tell me that it has gone in for approval or some other such thing and it has not been lost forever.
Holy fucking shitballs is all I have to say about that. What a loser. (Sean, I mean. Not you, or your friend.)
Way to go girl “surviving motherhood”! You said it all beautifully!
I think the reason half the people hate breastfeeding so much, is because they can’t face up to the fact that we are still plain boring old mammals no matter how superior we like to think we are. And guess what? Yes! We still breastfeed like any old mammal! No, our tits hasn’t gone away with evolution, and cos we aren’t using them as we should, we are now developing cancers of the breast more than ever! Does this kinda makes sense to you! Nature’s is paying us back for not using them and giving us cancer instead!